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In one of my very first HappyWrench.com posts, I provided some sage advice on how to buy a vintage motorcycle. It was based on my years of experience buying and selling used bikes.
I still stand by everything I said in that post, including piece of advice #4 – make sure you get solid paperwork (clean title, bill of sale, etc.). Depending on the situation, the convenience of good paperwork can be priceless.
Again, let me emphasize – I stand by everything I previously said; but what is a guy or gal to do if you come across a downright, honest-to-goodness barn find? That and the deal is just too good to pass up. ? I am going to tell you how to title a barn find motorcycle in your name.
- 1) Make Sure You Are Not Eligible for a Bonded Title
- 2) Get the VIN of the Bike and Run a Detailed VIN Check
- 3) Pick a Friendly State to Title the Bike in First
- 4) Transfer Ownership to Your Name in Vermont, with Just a Bill of Sale
- 5) Get a VIN inspection for a Bike over 500cc
- 6) Transfer Title from Vermont to Your State
What is a barn find motorcycle?
First, before going any further, let’s define a “barn find.”
Basically, I am referring to a motorcycle with no title and in the possession of someone who is not and never has been the legal owner.
That said, the prior legal owner is 100% truly gone – maybe they abandoned the bike, moved to a foreign country, were recruited for the first manned mission to Mars.
The point here is that they are truly unreachable, but also never coming back for this piece of machinery.
This week, I came across an amazing vintage motorcycle project that fits into this category.
Basically the bike had been in a storage unit for 15 plus years, the owner stopped paying rent, and the storage company foreclosed and sold the entire contents of the unit including the bike to the current “owner.”
Neither the storage facility or current holder of the bike ever became the legal owner (they should have, but didn’t), but the prior legal owner is also long gone and never coming back.
I was unfortunately too slow (the bike was gone by the time I called the guy with it).
However, like a good little HappyWrench, I did all the prerequisite research into how to title a barn find motorcycle.
Before I lay out my research into how to title a barn find motorcycle, let me make a few things clear.
I am not a lawyer, and I definitely do not know all the different motor vehicle laws of the different states. Some states are strict and some states not so much (more on this below). My findings are based on two days of sporadic research.
6 Steps to Title A Barn Find Motorcycle
All that said, I am confident enough in the research I am presenting below in how to title a motorcycle barn find that I would be willing to give it a try myself on a reasonably priced project (before laying out too many clams In case I am wrong).
Note that this will only work on vehicles older than 15 years.
1) Make Sure You Are Not Eligible for a Bonded Title
According to the Florida DMV (Department of Motor Vehicles) you are only eligible for a bonded title (Certificate of Title Surety) if the person you bought it from was the legal owner, you lost the title after the purchase, and the prior legal owner is unfindable/unreachable and you have documentation showing you tried to contact the person.
Note the distinction here about the prior legal owner.
This means that bonded titles are not available for abandoned or stolen motorcycles.
2) Get the VIN of the Bike and Run a Detailed VIN Check
This is to make sure there are no liens on the bike or it wasn’t stolen.
A motorcycle VIN lookup will also provide you with more details and specs for the bike.
Note that this is assuming the motorcycle was manufactured in 1981 or later and has a standardized VIN.
3) Pick a Friendly State to Title the Bike in First
There are many “no title” states that do no issue titles for older (15+ year old) motorcycles. They only issue registrations.
Georgia is one, but you need to know a resident.
Vermont is the best I’ve found, as you can do everything via mail and don’t have to be a resident.
The most comprehensive guide for the Vermont title loophole can be found here.
4) Transfer Ownership to Your Name in Vermont, with Just a Bill of Sale
Basically, if the vehicle is more than 15 years old, Vermont will accept a basic bill of sale to transfer ownership to your name.
Everything can be done via mail and Vermont will issue you a registration form of ownership along with Vermont plates.
Since that is their version of a title (costs about $48), you can obtain it with just a bill of sale.
5) Get a VIN inspection for a Bike over 500cc
You will need a VIN inspection for a bike over 500cc, but this can be done by anyone authorized to do one in your home state.
This, of course, includes a police officer, the DMV, but in many states like my own (Florida), also includes a notary. I suggest a mobile notary.
For the notary, just make sure to also get a letter on the notary’s letterhead identifying them.
6) Transfer Title from Vermont to Your State
Once you get the VT registration, you can then transfer the title to your state.
To do this you have to present the registration form of ownership from Vermont to your state DMV, who are then required to issue you a legal title in your name, in your state.
Make sure to check if your state allows the transfer of Vermont registrations. Most do.
That is my two days worth of research into how to register a motorcycle without a title.
From what I can tell reading online, this process should work.
If Possible Always Get a Signed Title
Again, I always suggest getting a signed off title, if possible; but, if one day you find yourself in a jam with a barn find you simply can’t walk away from, I hope this post provides you a workable solution for getting the title.
12 thoughts on “Buying a Motorcycle Without a Title [Barn Find Guide]”
Hi, do you know if a notary can do the VIN check in North Carolina? Or, how I can go about confirming if they can for the Vermont process?
You said you don’t have to be a resident of Vermont to receive the registration can I file for both title and registration and just pay the fees through them?
Hey, did the bill of sale have to be listed as a vermont bill of sale or what
Recently, I went to one of the barn auctions near my house and bought a car from the auction. I have been wondering how it works to get a title for the car since I have never gotten a bonded title. It is good to know that bonded titles are relatively inexpensive and easy to get.
I recently got a 1958 Harley Duo Glide it is completely taken apart when I got it! There is no motor.. They did not have what’s consider a VIN number on Harleys until 1980. Before the VIN they during casting the frame they put what’s known as casting ID number on specific parts. This tied parts together to basically make a registration number or ID number so the person holding the title or law enforcement could help or try to recovery if stolen.. Is it possible to get a title or get a VIN issued??? Or I’m still going to restore the bike and have the coolest conversation pieces ever!!
Jim, Harley Davidson used the stamped engine # as the vin until 1970. They are stamped on the left side of the case.1962 through 1969 use a specified numbering system. Just ask the internet, for HD Vin history. 1936 through 1969 could have a vin# from 7 to 10 digits if memory serves me. In 1970 Harley began the 9 digit vin on both the frame & the engine which both matched. Your 1958 would have had a vin beginning with “58” followed by ” FL” or ” FLH” followed by a 4 0r 5 digit production #. I believe the produced 2890 FL’s & 3178 FLH’s for 1958. If you can find a 1958 motor with matching title I guess it’s possible to title it. If not you will have to title it as a “SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION” bike for the year you register it. Don’t even think of asking California for any help! There are not going to help & they would have to see the bike …… per my dealings anyway……………….I am by no means an expert though. Good luck.
I looked up the Vermont deal. They now require a resident to submit the paperwork. Boo.
What if your state does not require a vin inspection? Who than is an authorized person to complete this?
If any info needed on how to do this call or text 8643371904 have been doing for years it very much works
Clifford, have you been doing titles through Vermont?
Really helpful stuff here. I’ve been thinking of getting an old bike to fix up (probably an old enduro bike) and found the info above to be helpful. Cheers!
Anyone have any recent info on the Vermont loophole? What if the bike was bought without bill of sale? Can one just be made up And signed by a friend or are they looked into a little more than that?
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